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Comparing Coxeter’s Regular Polytopes Table V to Moxness’ Convex Hulls

This is a post to present a new visualization that algorithmically generates Coxeter’s Regular Polytopes Table V vertex & cell first 600-cell {3,3,5} & 120-cell {5,3,3} polytope sections and compares them with my convex hull projections. I have also visualized the face-first and edge-first versions which Coxeter never addressed. The convex hulls of these match those presented by Robert Webb’s Stella 4D.

The base (H4) objects are generated (from E8 actually) using a interactive group theoretic hypercomplex (octonion/quaternion) hyperdimensional (nD with n<9) Geometric Algebra (GA) / Space-Time Algebra (STA) capable symbolic engine which I created using Mathematica.

These are 4D rotated into vertex/cell/face/edge and then grouped & sorted palindromically using Coxeter’s numbering and scaling. See here, here and here for the PDF, interactive 3D Mathematica Notebook, and Wolfram Cloud (respectively). For best performance, I suggest using the free Wolfram Player if you don’t own a Mathematica license for local manipulation.

The hyper-dimensional (4D) vertices used in these panels were also used to generate Koca’s referenced dual snub-24-cell as visualized on the that Wikipedia page.

This is unique (AFAIK). Several of the Table V section entries are not identified by name. This is sometimes due to the irregular faces such that they lack a formal name (e.g. Coxeter labels section 15 of the vertex first {5,3,3} 120-cell as a 1+8 octahedron aka. an octahedron and an irregular truncated octahedron).

Other times it seems they were simply not recognized due to lack of visualization (e.g. while section 6 (& palindromically paired section 10) of the cell first {5,3,3} 120-cell are labeled as rhombicosidodecahedra, section 8 (and my hull #8) is also an irregular form of the rhombicosidodecahedron). Also on that object, sections 4, 5 (& 12, 11 respectively) are irregular truncated icosahedrons.

On the cell first {5,3,3} 600-cell, unidentified sections 5, 6 (& 11, 10) are seen to be truncated tetrahedra, and 4 (& 12) are irregular cuboctahedra.

As already referenced above, the most irregular is the vertex first {5,3,3} 120-cell with unidentified sections 2, 4 (& 28, 26) now seen as truncated tetrahedra, sections 6, 14 (& 24, 16) as irregular truncated octahedra, and sections 10 (& 20) as irregular cuboctahedra. Section 9 (& 21) is a pair of truncated tetrahedrons (shown below).

Interestingly, Coxeter’s labels for sections 3, 11 (& 27, 19) are “2 icosahedra” (aka. truncated octahedra). Coxeter’s partial label on 12 (& 18) is “Tetrahedron” for the 4 vertices with 24 others unidentified. These 24 are irregular hexagon (8) and rectangular (6) faces forming an irregular truncated octahedron.

Section 7 (& 23) have 24 vertices that are two irregular cuboctahedra each with triangular (8) and rectangle (6) faces.

Another notable section is found with 9-gon or nonagon faces in sections 13 (& 17), which are generated by the chiral left/right “chamfered tetrahedrons” (3 per corner).

This likely derives from the 8-simplex A8 SU(9) as a subgroup of E8 as shown in the E8 subgroup tree (with more detail in this post). This folds to the H4 family of polytopes via my E8 <-> H4 folding matrix.

Coxeter’s Regular Polytopes Table V-iii – Vertex First {3,3,5} 600-cell
Coxeter’s Regular Polytopes Table V-iv-a – Cell First {3,3,5} 600-cell
Coxeter’s Regular Polytopes Table V-iv-b – Cell First {5,3,3} 120-cell
Coxeter’s Regular Polytopes Table V-v – Vertex First {5,3,3} 120-cell

Since Coxeter never presented any {3,3,5} / {5,3,3} edge-first or face-first sectioning, here is my attempt at visualizing them. Please note the top section of the SVG output below now includes the XYZW vertex +/- & cyclic position permutation base values and other data collected in the process. There is also a 4D perspective projection below that uses a distance factor to change perspective. Note the differences between the edge-first (distance=1) vs. the face-first (distance=10) showing how the 4D perspective changes on both the {3,3,5} 600-cell / {5,3,3} 120-cell :

Face First {3,3,5} 600-cell
Edge First {3,3,5} 600-cell
Edge First {5,3,3} 120-cell
Face First {5,3,3} 120-cell

And just for more fun… here are combinations of the above displayed together producing 720 and 1200 vertex overall hulls that are nice and/or interesting!

720 vertex combining vertex first 335 600-cell with cell first 533 120-cell
cell720p (or prime) 720 vertex combining cell first 335 600-cell with vertex first 533 120-cell
1200 vertex combining both vertex & cell first 335 600-cell and 533 120-cell
1200 vertex cell1200p by quaternion calculation:
octSimplify /@Flatten@prq[[DoubleStruckCapitalA], octExp[Alpha]Lsw, TpT]

A Visual Overview of how the H4 600-cell(s) embed into E8

Please see this Powerpoint for an interactive presentation (160 Mb).

2D projection of 8,16,24, snub-24 and 600 cells as part of E8 vertex Petrie projection

Below (and here and here in PDF and Mathematica Notebook form or here on the Cloud) are the I & I’ 600-cells based on quaternion construction from the T & T’ 24-cells. These are also documented in Coxeter’s book “Regular Polytopes” as {3,3,5} vertex first & cell first “sections” in Table V (respectively) vs. the projections shown here with one of the four dimensions projected to 0 such that the hulls are palindromic pairs of sections (e.g. for 9 sections, section 1-4 pairs with 9-6 in vertex counts equal to hull vertex counts 1-4 and the center section 5 = hull 5).

The 600-cell is projected to 3D using an orthonormal basis. The vertices are sorted and tallied by their 3D norm. Generating the increasingly transparent hull of each set of tallied norms shows pairs of:

1) points at the origin

2) icosahedrons

3) dodecahedrons

4) icosahedrons

5) and a single icosadodecahedron

for a total of 120 vertices and an overall outer 3D hull of the Pentakis Icosidodecahedron.
Alternate 600-Cell Convex Hulls. The 600-cell is projected to 3D using an orthonormal basis. The vertices are sorted and tallied by their 3D norm. Generating the increasingly transparent hull of each set of tallied norms shows:

1) a pair of tetrahedrons (or single cube)

2) a pair of tetrahedrons (or single cube)

3) a pair of icosahedrons

4) truncated cube

5) rhombicuboctahedron

6) rhombicuboctahedron

7) a pair of tetrahedrons (or single cube)

8) cuboctahedron

for a total of 120 vertices and an overall outer 3D hull of a near-miss of the Pentakis Icosidodecahedron.

For completeness, here are the J’ (alternate) & J form of the 120-cells based on quaternion construction from the T & T’ 24-cells. These are also documented in Coxeter’s book “Regular Polytopes” as {5,3,3} vertex first & cell first “sections” in Table V (respectively) vs. the projections shown here with one of the four dimensions projected to 0 such that the hulls are palindromic pairs of sections (e.g. for 31 sections, section 0-14 pairs with 30-16 in vertex counts equal to hull vertex counts 1-15 and the center section 15 = hull 16).

Hull 1 has 2 points at the origin.
Hulls 2 & 6 are cubes.
Hulls 3 & 5 are rhombicuboctahedrons.
Hulls 4 & 12 are each pairs of truncated octahedrons.
Hulls 7 & 15 are truncated cuboctahedrons.
Hull 11 is a truncated cube.
Hulls 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, and 16 are unnamed solids.
Hulls 1, 2, & 7 are each overlapping pairs of dodecahedrons.
Hull 3 is a pair of icosidodecahedrons.
Hulls 4 & 5 are each pairs of truncated icosahedrons.
Hulls 6 & 8 are each rhombicosidodecahedrons.

Below is an interactive Mathematica 4D visualization of the 8,16, 24, 120, and 600 cells (including alternate forms 24p, 120p, 600p). Click here or on the image below to open in a new tab.

Group Theory in a Nutshell: Taming the Monster

For a paper with much of the content below, please see: theoryofeverything.org/TOE/JGM/E8_and_H4_in_QM_and_QC.pdf, and associated Mathematica notebook here.

Y555 Hasse diagram

The wreath product of the Monster group with Z2 (M ≀ Z2) is the BiMonster, a quotient of the Y555 Dynkin diagram which contains six E8(Y124) Dynkin diagrams and the 23rd Niemeier lattice E83 root system. This can be reduced to Y444 by applying the spider relation to E83 .

Hasse diagram of sporadic groups in their Monster group subquotient relationships.

Happy Family genarations:
Red=Mathieu groups (1st)
Green=Leech lattice groups (2nd)
Blue=other Monster subquotients (3rd)
Black=Pariahs

Table of sporadic group orders (with Tits group).
Niemeier lattices with group structure, Dynkin diagram, Coxeter number, and group orders.
Kneser neighborhood graph of Niemeier lattices with associated Mathematica Notebook here.

Each color coded node represents one of the 24 Niemeier lattices, and the lines joining them represent the 24-dimensional odd unimodular lattices with no norm 1 vectors. The Coxeter number of the Niemeier lattice is to the left. The red node index number indicates the row in the table above.

Table of sublattices of Conway groups (Green nodes in the Monster Group sub-quotients graph at the top of the page)
The Freudenthal magic square

”The Freudenthal magic square includes all of the exceptional Lie groups apart from G2, and it provides one possible approach to justify the assertion that ”the exceptional Lie groups all exist because of the octonions: G2 itself is the automorphism group of the octonions (also, it is in many ways like a classical Lie group because it is the stabilizer of a generic 3-form on a 7-dimensional vector space, see prehomogeneous vector space.”

E8 Subgroup Tree with associated Mathematica Notebook here.

This E8SubgroupTree.nb Mathematica Notebook (140Mb), viewable using the free viewable Player, which has interactive Tooltips on group nodes (with group data and Hasse diagram) and Tooltips on the subgroup edges (with its individual maximal embedding chart). Also in the notebook is one cell with a table of all of the above data plus the Dynkin diagram based maximal embedding charts and an example 2D or 3D polytope projection.

The H4 600-Cell in all its beauty

These models use a tetrahedral mesh generator package << TetGenLink` to analyze the cells created by the edges selected.

Note: The Mathematica auto-generated geometry statistics of 120 vertices, 720 golden-ratio length edges, 1200 faces, and 600 color-coded cells, with a surface area of 11.4 volume of 127.

The transparent shaded blue is the outer hull that forms the Pentakis Icosidodecahedron with a vertex hull having 30 vertices of Norm=1 from the center. All 120 vertices form concentric hulls in groups:

1) two points at the origin
2) two icosahedra (24)
3) two dodecahedra (40)
4) two larger icosahedra (24)
5) one icosidodecahedron (30)

H4 600-Cell with 3D vertex shapes representing Standard Model physics particle assignments and color-coded cells

H4 600-Cell with 1200 unit length edges, 2400 faces and 600-cells. 3D vertex shapes representing Standard Model physics particle assignments and color-coded cells are also shown

The H4 120-cell (J), dual of the 600-cell, showing the hull of the chamfered dodecahedron. It is also called a truncated rhombic triacontahedron, constructed as a truncation of the rhombic triacontahedron. It can more accurately be called an order-5 truncated rhombic triacontahedron because only the order-5 vertices are truncated. It is shown with physics particle assignments.

Same as above with interior color-coded cells displayed

3D Visualization of the outer hull of the Dual 120-Cell (600) J’ generated using T

The Dual H4 120-cell (J’) shown above (and more below).

An animated alternate form 120-cell (J’), which seems to be a new (near-miss Johnson solid?) constructed using D4′ (or T’) vs. D4 (T) above.

The H4 dual 120-cell (J’) build of outer edges and color-coded cells

The H4 dual 120-cell (J’) build of outer edges with physics particle assignments

There is yet another construction of a 120-cell that has the same outer hull as the 600-Cell (above), yet with the 600 vertices (5 on each of the 120 vertices of the 600-Cell. The exception to this is a set of 6 square faces.

One of my arXiv papers is featured as a Wolfram Community Editor’s Pick

Please take a look here to view a paper I wrote about in a recent blog post here. The paper registered in arXiv is here and titled: The_Isomorphism_of_H4_and_E8.

As I like to provide more than just type-set text and graphics, I include in the arXiv the Mathematica notebooks with code snippets and actual output w/interactive 3D graphics. This gets attached in the ancillary files and is also linked as “Papers with Code” using my GitHub account here.

That caught the eye of the Wolfram editors who graciously offered to help with this post. My hats off to them. Enjoy the paper, with a follow-on paper: The_Isomorphism_of_3-Qubit_Hadamards_and_E8 here, including the notebook 😉

The Isomorphism of 3-Qubit Hadamards and E8

Click here for a PDF of my latest paper. This has been accepted by the arXiv as 2311.11918 (math.GR & hep-th) with an ancillary Mathematica Notebook here. These links have (and will continue to have) minor descriptive improvements/corrections that may not yet be incorporated into arXiv, so the interested reader should check back here for those. The prior related paper on THE ISOMORPHISM OF H4 AND E8 is referenced in the blog post here.

Abstract: This paper presents several notable properties of the matrix U shown to be related to the isomorphism between H4 and E8. The most significant of these properties is that U.U is to rank 8 matrices what the golden ratio is to numbers. That is to say, the difference between it and its inverse is the identity element, albeit with a twist. Specifically, U.U-(U.U)-1 is the reverse identity matrix or standard involutory permutation matrix of rank 8. It has the same palindromic characteristic polynomial coefficients as the normalized 3-qubit Hadamard matrix with 8-bit binary basis states, which is known to be isomorphic to E8 through its (8,4) Hamming code.